Sunday, July 29, 2007

"JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES" PART II, THE C.U.F.I. VERSION

Go here first to see what this is all about.

[The disclaimer: Kelso's Jewish, Atheist, not an Israeli, was an Amercian. His views on Israel are a mixed bag: generally dovish on Palestinian question, believes in right of state of Israel to exist as any kind of state they wish but there's plenty of room to negotiate an agreement that could put billions of human beings' minds at ease. ]

http://politits.blogspot.com/

At the end of Part I, Kelso had briefly touched on the Devil's Bargain Israel has made with the Christian Right. Kelso laid out briefly the Israeli side of it but the link above gets to the American Christian (Joe Lieberman an official member of which) side of it. It's pretty clear once you get through "D-Cup's" material that both sides think they've got the other snowballed. Americans really only get the AIPAC, C.U.F.I., Joe Lieberman, Jersalem Post, Wolf Blitzer side of the story. Ha'aretz online tells a very different story. The majority of Israelis including many, many Likudniks, share the Kelso viewpoint. The citizens of Tel-Aviv and Haifa think about Jerusalem kind of the way the citizens of New York and Boston think about Houston. Those who get it, get it. We're going to leave the simile as is. Let's just say that the most dovish American Jewish politician outside maybe Rep. Frank or Sen. Sanders would fit snugly in the center of the Likud Party. Though Israel is a Jewish state, it is also a social democracy with a far greater proportion of Atheists than most countries, espcially the U.S.A. which -- without an official religion -- has maybe 4 or 5 Atheists all together. Maybe a couple of hundred counting Agnostics.

Israel, right now is laughing its collective ass of that these insane, racist, anti-semitic goyim are throwing money at Israel because of some silly superstions. The goyim and the effective goyim (AIPAC, Lieberman, etc.) think that they've got Israel crushed because of course Israel will do America's bidding, will fulfill fantastical Bible prophecies by bringing about the end of times and while the Christians and the Christian-Converts like Lieberman will rapture up to heaven, even the Jews, American, Israeli, Argentinian, whatever, who convert to Christianity will get -- ok, ok -- to heaven but will certainly be drinking at the Coloreds Only fountain. For a few billion stolen dollars, the latter cohort believes it's buying eternal life real, real cheap from Israel. And they are laughing their asses off.

If this is funny, and it kind of is, it is a very dark brand of humor indeed. It is very possible that Israel will get dependent on this money and be jammed up eventually having to do something really wretched like nuking Iran, killing 10 million Persian Jews in the process. Ultimately, this could, for financial reasons, set off a nuclear war in which an infuriated China, EU and Russia nuke the U.S. for causing this shit. By "financial reasons" Kelso means that the other three powers, enjoying astonishing growth, would be furious with the U.S.A. for spoiling it for them when they couldn't give a bucket of warm piss about "rapture" but do like steady growth and low inflation.

More likely, however, and Kelso was first alerted to this by radio host Mike Malloy who got it from his friend/philosophical opponent the late Meir Kahane, the C.U.F.I. folks and their American Jewish servants will want those Israeli and worldwide conversions to Fundamentalist Christianity once the nukes hit Iran. Israelis, however, are an odd salad bowl but one thing they are most definitely not is stupid. And they are self-sufficient. And they do protect themselves. So, Malloy posed they rhetorical question, "where are the couple of hundred Israeli missles with nuclear warheads aimed? At some nearby hostile Arab, Muslim or Arab/Muslim targets? Sure,a few. Where are the rest aimed? Where do you think? New York, Washington D.C., Omaha, Los Angeles, San Jose, Seattle, NoCom, SoCom, dumbasses!" Fortunately, there are a few intelligent American Zionists who are hip to all of this, and could stop all of it in time. Or maybe not. Fingers crossed. That's the best we can hope for.

It's time to start kicking some ass, though, or at least dropping some science on these repulsive fundies, to let them know from a real Jew what the fake Jews like Lieberman won't tell them. Why do these Christians think that they are so wonderful and powerful that they may view everyone else as "the other" and maintain some misguided sense of superiority without the reverse? Kelso's guessing by now at least half the Fundies are aware of what Black Americans think of them (excluding Obama, Powell, Rice, etc.) -- what you'd expect, that they are soft pink white pigs, mean, rigid, racist shits, who go running to hide underneath the policeman's skirt. The Latin immigrants they hate so much hate them worse. Take that to the bank.

Here's what the 2/3 of sane American (and diasporal) Jews think of them. By "them" we mean C.U.F.I. folks, Dobson and Haggard's flocks, etc. We don't mean Congregationalists or Episcopalians or Presbetyrians or the more sensible Methodists and Catholics. Here's what "we" think of the soft white pink pigs: morons who can't read, write, count or fuck properly...easy marks to be skinned for all their money at will...and kind of foul in the sense that we're not in a hurry to be in the same swimming pool with them and kind of smelly at the trailer park levels and basically chickenshit whitebread motherfuckers.

Does that surprise you Fundies? You actually thought for a nano-second that you were better than us? That we wished we could be like you? Are you crazy? We got Jesus, Freud, Einstein, Marx and Milton Friedman, Salk and Sabin, and a cast of 10,000s of thousands of leading lights. Who you got? David Duke? Bruce Willis? Pul-leeze. All you got is a little political power right now because there's a lot of you and you vote the same way. But your day is coming. Not in 2008. But it's coming. Kelso probably won't be alive to see it but he promises this: it won't be rapture; it'll be a straight-up ass-fucking. From the ass-fucking masters.

So, it might not be a bad idea to stop using the phrase "Judeo-Christian Values." And it might not be a bad idea to bag this Holy Land Rapture Prophecy fantasy.

Kelso kind of like to fuck one of those little College Republican Fundie broads in Max Blumenthal's flick, though. Oh, is that too harsh? Or too hypocritically sexist, Bill O'Reilly? Two words: ANNE FRANK.

Kelso's Nuts love you.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Your posts on this subject are absolutely amazing. After reading your post from Thursday, July 26, 2007, I am floored by your analysis of the phrase "Judeo-Christian Values."

Like you, I've always been suspect of this phrase to be on par with the pretty girl "letting" the ugly girl be "friends" with her as long as she helps her with her homework and doesn't make her look stupid in public.

You have pointed out a vast number of interesting elements to the phrase and the relationship between Jews and Christians. I can't help but continue to explore this more over at Tits. Naturally, you'll be linked and credited for your great thinking on this subject.

Finally, thanks for your advice on where and when to move on from our crumbling nation. In many things, I'm guessing you're ahead of the herd.

Lynn@ZelleBlog said...

Where did the rest of the comments go?

Lynn@ZelleBlog said...

I think my earlier comment is gone, Kelso. Sorry!

Anyway, I'm glad you found Tits List and her crew, she's pretty funny. And smart.

KELSO'S NUTS said...

lynn: do you mean on this post? there's only been the two of you so far

KELSO'S NUTS said...

LYnn: I should have made a pun on the Pete Seeger song and answered "...they've taken husbands every one...oh when will we ever learn/when will we ever learn"

Unknown said...

Now that we live in the South it is clear to me how ignorant Christians really are about Jews. How many times have I heard "the Jewish race" uttered from these people lately?

I really hate talking about religion but I find myself in conversations explaining the "Jewish View" and what who the really Jews are. Judeo-Christian my ass.

For me:to be Jewish means to be educated and do the right thing and never never try to convert anyone.

Madam Z said...

I have read this post three times, and am at a loss where to begin my praise. I kept wanting to excerpt this or that sentence to comment on specifically, but I couldn't narrow it down. You are brilliant, in my humble opinion. Oh all right, I have to at least highlight this: "That we wished we could be like you? Are you crazy? We got Jesus, Freud, Einstein, Marx and Milton Friedman, Salk and Sabin, and a cast of 10,000s of thousands of leading lights. Who you got? David Duke? Bruce Willis?" But you forgot to add Paris Hilton and Britney Spears to your list of distinguished goyim.

KELSO'S NUTS said...

I don't know what circles you travel in, but I got family in ATlanta, Savannah and Selma and nothing happens in local Democratic politics without their say-so. My aTL cousins play the big stakes game at the country club in Buckhead w John Smoltz and Andruw Jones and the goyim in the game arent saying anything about the "jewish race" to my family...they don't want to get barred from the game! I love it when our tribe has the overs in their backyard!!!

KELSO'S NUTS said...

D-CUP, your simile is elegant both in the literary and mathematical sense. And your praise is much appreciated. Not sure if i'm worthy but keep it ocming.

Upon further reflection, I think their need to enlist us when they know we can put a hard beatin on them, shows me they're scared. That's a good thing. I've always fantasized about a GENERAL JEWISH STRIKE in the UNITED STATES. The whole country would have to go without dope, pornography, psychiatry, liquid fiancial markets, proper doctors, poetry ex-Hallmark greeting card style, cancer research, movies, tv, comedy, good lawyers, liberal judges, CPAs, professors, physicists, engineers, art dealers, scholars and outstanding Boston Red Sox third baseman, Kevin fucking Youkilis.

So, who's the swan and who's the ugly duckling, really?

Let's tear this motherfucker up.

Fran said...

Kelso- first of all, wow GREAT post.

I am a little pressed for time however, so I will address what you asked me on my blog...

Meme or tag... you are given 5 questions by someone and you write a blog post by answering them and then YOU tag 5 other people, or whatever number may be specified. The number of questions and recipients varies by meme.

Have fun!! More questions, em me at festinalente07@gmail.com!!

Fran said...

One more thing and at the risk of sounding defensive at that... You'd need to read some of my stuff for context.

As a far left, liberal, human focused, peace practicing Catholic with Jewish roots, I for one object to the CUFI (aka Can You F___ing Imagine that they thing this way losers?) completely and just blogged about Blumenthal briefly.

Anyway since the term Judeo Christian values has been co-opted by every idiot to come down the pike, I am not sure I'd throw it out. I would rather deal with the coopting idiots.

Judeo Christian values should generally mean practicing peace, compassion, generosity and overall social good. Not that you'd know it from the jerks that toss the phrase around as easily as they do.

Either way, I don't care what it is called. I just will continue to try to practice these things!

Soon I will be blogging about Israel- a place I have been to twice and have relatives there. Land o' contradictions, not unlike our own.

OK, off to the beach soon!

KELSO'S NUTS said...

Not a bad comebacker at all, Fade.

Welcome to the party.

Are you the Jew, the Christian, the Lion, the Revolutionary or the Oppressor?

Your sentiment, however, clever as it is, I take as a challenge.

It is therefore my obligation to put a little pressure on.

I came by your site and noticed you have a background in investment banking. I have only an MBA with a concentration in finance and stats and my experience in the financial world was strictly buy-side in off-shore hedge funds in emerging markets and derivatives. But I love a challenge. Let's have a wager. We'll get a neutral party to write up an investment-banking problem which can be open-ended requiring an accompanying essay explaining the reasoning or it can be a closed-end question with one right answer. The neutral party will judge who's work was better. And I refuse to play for less than $25,000, and I insist on your being the favorite in the wager and having to lay $37,500 to my $25,000 because you are a professional investment banker.

I slo insist that the loser give to the charity of the other's choice. You may want me to give to the Southern Baptist Convention or RNC or KKK -- I say fine. I may want you to give to Planned Parenthood -- you have to say fine.

We play for keeps around here.

KELSO'S NUTS said...

I forgot to mention that as a student I was recruited by Enron, JP, Swiss Bank/O'Connor and Toronto Dominion.

You may have picked the wrong "lefty" site on the wrong day.

In the spirit of good-fellowship, I will withdraw the challenge under a condition: Please tell a great joke or add a more lengthy commentary on the topic, using the "Lion" thing as a jumping-off point.

I am violating the Damon Runyon rule here, but I do have a moral center!

Lynn@ZelleBlog said...

It was THIS post. Very weird.

The nuclear spectre makes me sick to my stomach.

That's a good song.

KELSO'S NUTS said...

o'tim:

Thanks so much for the heartfelt praise. It means alot to me because I don't do this for a social life, I do it when I feel I have something to say.

I took a peek at your blog and will have something to say with regard to the movie. Here's a teaser: THE DILDO FLOOR TRADER WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT BUT WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND OR LIKE THE REASONS WHY IT'S TRUE -- THEY COME STRAIGHT FROM THE LORD JOHN MAYNARD KEYNES PLAYBOOK, KEYNES, OF COURSE, BEING THE BETE NOIRE OF ALL THINGS RIGHT WING.

Thanks again. I'll be back your way soon. What does "WRT" stand for?

O' Tim said...

WRT: "with regards to" (sorry, I get all tingly with those abbrevs. on the innertubes)

I know the trader is right that 9-11 and Iraq are good thing for the economy. It's his "good thing in general" smirkiness that pisses me off.

Come by anytime - I do blog mostly for social reasons so I hope it won't bore you too much.

KELSO'S NUTS said...

My 7YO son just arrived here in Panama from NYC so I don't have time to do a full anlaysis of the movie synopsis, which was very in depth by the way. What he doesn't understand is that if there were no wars and that money were actually put back into --YES -- WELFARE, as in AFDE not "workfare," he get a better result because the velocity and multiplier effect of a welfare G-dollar is greater than the velocity and multiplier effect of a military G-dollar, and the overall cost would be less meaning less of a need to dump dollars on the world market to finance the wars.

This is some of what I was trying to get at with an honest left/right discussion on D-CUP'S blog. That, yes, Virginia, ultimately WELFARE will make dildo traders more money than WAR will. And will do some social good in the meantime. A solution with both ideologies happy. There are plenty of them, but Americans are not creative enough to think that way.