DEBATES: THE EDWARDS TELL AND YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
There is something very strange about John Edwards. As a class-action and tort litigator there were few better. He took on some of the most retrograde Right-Wing corporations in court and beat them out of lots of money on a regular basis. In the South. His own upbringing makes the "retooled" Edwards image as a fiery populist, willing to admit he was wrong on Iraq, a natural fit. Elizabeth Edwards has given him all the free-media help he could want. He presents very well on camera. It's obvious that he's bright and there's a tremendous amount of room to Kucinich's right and everyone else's left. He's probaby got the most workable health plan in today's political climate. He's been through a campaign before. All the way. He's leading in Iowa. Why does Clinton win every debate on preparation and poise and Kucinich win on ideas and style EVERY TIME. Why was he so disingenous at the YearlyKos debate on the issue of lobbyist money? Why does he apologize to Obama in every debate for his war vote instead of asking Obama to PROVE he opposed the war in 2003 while in the Illinois State Legislature? Why doesn't he ask Obama if that's true, why then didn't Obama LEAD on the issue, especially as Obama's position on Iraq now is the most hawkish of the bunch? If Edwards feels the need to apologize for anything, isn't Kucinich the guy he owes the apology to?
As Martin Balsam's character in Psycho said "if it don't gel, it ain't aspic and this isn't jelling." What's going on? Kelso thinks the tell came during the Soldier Field debate. The issue was gay marriage. Clinton (it's silly to talk about gay marriage because the country isn't there yet; my focus is on ending "don't-ask-don't-tell," and securing domestic partnership rights) was perfect. Kucinich (for gay marriage all the way) was perfect. Edwards looked as though Floyd Mayweather, Jr., had hit him in the face. He looked daxed. He gave an incomprehensible answer somehow dragging religion into it and when he realized he'd gone too far, he hid weakly behind his wife's support of the issue. A charitable person would say that after he'd gotten taken to the woodshed by the MSM after calling Cheney a hypocrite on this issue, he's been chastened.
But let's not be charitable. As a top-class attorney, Edwards has to see that Clinton and Kucinich's answers play very well and he has to know that Obama's a straight-up homophobe. Edwards must decide which side he's on and stick with it. Dittoing Clinton's not a bad idea. He's not going to out-religion Obama on words, but he'll out-religion him on image. He can't possibly take the Kucinich point of view even if he believes it because Edwards is still in with a big chance. He has to see the right move is some insignificant variant on Clinton and move on with it. He cannot be in the middle with Clinton, on the left with Kucinich and on the religious right with Obama at the same time.
Gay issues, though, are relatively small potatoes in the grand scheme. So, what's the problem? Kelso posits that the problem is Edwards' new suit of clothes fit him poorly, his upbringing, his brilliance as an attorney for the individual or class-of-individuals against the institution notwithstanding. He is by nature a "blue-dog" or "boll weevil" or whatever you want to call him. He was strongest as a politician ganging up with Gephardt and Kerry on Dean. Kelso does not believe in the Damascene Conversion theory on Edwards. Kelso believes that Edwards is a DLC man at heart and as such is neither fish nor fowl. Despite the rhetoric, he's blowing with the political winds worse than Gore or Kerry did. For all her DLC/AIPAC corporatism, at least Clinton has the courage to admit to taking lobbyist money. She's running a careful center-right campaign and using her formidable poise and ability to take a punch to her benefit. Edwards is probably a better person than Clinton is, but hardly a better politician and would hardly make a better leader.
We told you after the St. Anselm's College Republican Debate in New Hampshire that the press read it wrong. McCain's insanity did not give Straight Talk the win. We said the winner was Mike Huckabee and we've been proven right as he has turned out to be the viable dark-horse here, as McCain like old soldiers fades away. Huckabee gave an answer about his Fundamentalist Christianity in that debate even an Atheist could love. Since, he has staked out territory left of every other Republican on the war, labor, and criminal justice and has been reaping rewards. Mike Huckabee is not a proto-typical Southern neanderthal. He's bright and very capable and would only be a small underdog to Clinton in general election.
Don't any of you forget that Kelso is writing this as a Kucinich supporter who would vote for Clinton or Edwards for President.
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Monday, August 20, 2007
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Kelso Kelso Kelso- such searing insights. I just read this. Twice.
I love how your mind works.
Your insights here are really outstanding. I have always liked Edwards and I so want to like him now, but I am just feeling awkward. Kind of like when you are dating someone who is nice and "great on paper" but really isn't right for you.
Honestly I have been on the fence re Kucinich(ok shoot me Dennis people) for a various reasons, not the least of which I get into that "he won't win thing". I already told you to shoot me.
However you articulated what I have not been able to face head on. Edwards is just not hitting his stride and falling victim to pandering to everyone and getting nowhere.
I am not an "Obama girl" and do not get me started about HRC.
This is good Kelso. Thank you. You have helped me. I know that wasn't your point, but thank you.
Excellent observance, Kelso. I like Edwards, a lot-which is probably why I am so critical of all that he says and does. I think he is sincere in his promises and has the ability, if he would try harder-to be another JFK. However...and here it comes, my strong criticism, he does not do well in debates and he doesn't resonate well in large crowds.
If you get a chance to see him at a "fireside chat" or small forum where he takes on questions from the audience, he shines like the sun! He makes a connection and everyone in the room feels as if he is only thinking of them. Put him in front of a podium with a question being zoomed at him, and forget it. Deer in the headlights.
I think, and this is just speculation, that he won many cases because he charmed the jury. Think about it...just like a small forum where he could just "talk" to them and make them feel as if he knows their inner soul. He has that ability, which I think would be a great asset when dealing with world leaders. It just doesn't pan out in a debate.
If I were him, I'd avoid these debates where he has to line up with the large crowd and stick to a lot more smaller forums where he can talk one on one.
Kelso - I think you just described where my head is on this. A Kucinich supporter who would vote for Clinton or Edwards for President.
Thanks for voicing it. After the debate I watched on Sunday, I came away feeling Edwards did better, but that Kucinich was saying what I need to hear from a candidate.
By the way, I've tagged you with those pesky questions. I want to hear what you're about on some superficial levels.
Somehow, I doubt that you will handle them superficially.
Kelso I am still not sure where you get the homophobe accusation. Why does Obama deserve it so exlusively in your thinking?
You have been so anti-Obama for so long, I am just trying to get it/ Because I hear some of the criticisms you have for him represented in other people.
I dont think the man can help that he did not have an opportunity to ask questions on prewar intelligence or vote. How the frik do you want him to prove his position?
What we DO know are the people who did not ask questions, we know who DID cheerlead for this war.
Still, every post you mention that you would "prefer Kucinich but..."
Well many of us on the left feel the same way but electability cannot be downplayed in importance- just as many people dont vote for greens or register as greens even though they identify with the Green platform.
I hear people talk about how they agree with Kucinich but feel he is not an option.
They like the greens, but figure its not an option. As long as people dismiss everyone but Republican Lite, this will always be the case.
Maybe its time to stop bitching about what cannot be and work for it? Do something?
And on the issue of cockfighting, I have been away on vacation but it was not because of You that the question was raised. It was an issue posted at another blog, had nothing at all to do with you. Blueberry has been posting on the issue.
TY everyone.
Lynn: It wasn't me or Dennis Kucinich with James Dobson and Rick Warren doing abstinence only AIDS talks. That would be Obama. It's not me in Black churches every Sunday giving not-so-veiled testimonials against gay-marriage. That would be Obama. You'll find me happily hanging out with my gay FRIENDS in the Veneto poker room and doing the normal things FRIENDS do.
Obama may well have theoretically been against the Iraq occupation in 2003, so why is he not only NOT LEADING on the issue, but also has adopted an Iraq plan more like Bush's than like even Clinton's?
Kucinich IS a viable option for one very good reason: he's in it until the end. If gets 1 delegate, he's going to Denver and speaking in prime-time. Obama and Edwards will have to toss theirs to Clinton and depend on her largesse for speaking opportunities.
Moreover, the better Kucinich does, the better shot he has at taking out Voinovich for US Senate.
Kelso- you are my hero on days like this. You are my hero indeed!
Very high praise indeed, FRANIAM. Doubt I'm worthy.
D-Cup: I just took care of the tag. It's on your post in which you presented your top 4s.
Kelso I think you have a real fan club.
A real -- albeit small and select -- fan club.
No one's ever going to mistake me for a big-time blogger, though: 1) because I'll never accept a penny 2) I have no need for awards or recognition--lurking in the shadows plenty good, 3)I do this because I enjoy it.
Because I try to cover the waterfront, the Kelso club offers a lot of goodies. Readers are free to pick and choose what they like and what they don't like without having to sacrifice membership in any other club...
...or if they like they can join Uncle Kelso on the dark side.
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